Carmel Diner

  What is the use of having a blog if you don't post some history some of the time.   Here are some newspaper articles/advertisements concerning the Carmel Diner in Carmel, NY

The diner started out as a barrel roof diner and was replaced by a Silk City diner.

1932

Tuesday morning the large dining car recently purchased by Dudley Adams,
arrived here and was placed on the foundations prepared for it on the
corner of the Ludington Arms property at Fair and Main streets. Work on
electric and water connections have been completed while the interior has
been cleaned and it is expected everything will be in readiness to open it
for business Saturday morning. The diner is about 45 feet long painted
green and the name "Carmel Diner" appears On it. The central compartment
contains the general equipment for cooking, an electric ice box, space
for general food supplies and a long counter with revolving chairs. In the
west end is a compartment with tables for ladies and in the eastern end
a lavatory.
Electric lights line the exterior of the car. The entrance is in the central part
of the car on Fair street. Regular dinners will be served in addition to
all kinds of sandwiches. The diner will be open from 6 a. m. to
midnight daily with an experienced chef in attendance.

May 1934

Dudley Adams this week purchased the Carmel Diner at the Junction of
Main and Fair streets from G. Roy Brown, who purchased it from Mr. Adams
eighteen months ago. Mr. Adams Instituted the lunch car business here about two years ago this
spring when he purchased the Carmel Diner and had it moved to the busy
street intersection here.  It was a new venture here and has proven very popular.
A few months later he sold it to Mr. Brown and then established the
Mahopac Diner on new Route 6 at Mahopac. He sold the Mahopac Diner a
few weeks ago.

1952

A shiny new diner will soon be added to Carmels business section, replacing
the present' diner at the comer of Main street and Fair street. The
old diner has been operated the past four years by Max artd Ruth Pearlman,
who will continue to serve top meals at .bottom prices in. the same friendly atmosphere
The new diner, modern in every detail, of stainless steel construction is
expected  to arrive within coming week.  It will have six booths and 20 stools at the counter.
 The car was constructed by the Patterson Vehicle company of Paterson, N. J and is 40 by
15 feet.

1967

Two more PA Counties

Lehigh County

Monitor Car & Body Co 11/3/26 satis 9/11/28 #3301

Robert B. Murray

$7300

resided B'Way @ Brodhead Ave in Bethlehem

O'Mahony 4/2/28 #5635

Edward Rembert "Eddies Diner" 12.5x40 #398-B

$10,240

resided 438 Hanover St. Allentown

O'Mahony 11/15/28 #6886

George Davidson "Eddie's Diner" [from above]

$9664

resided 13 Carlysle St Allentown

O'Mahony 10/23/28 #6790

Harold Bartholomew & William Waelchli

$3070

10.5x36

Tierney 5/31/27 #4085

Richard J. Collins

$8975

renew 8/1/28 for $6478.25

diner #1091

resided 2044 Walnut St Allentown

O'Mahony 6/28/33 #9798

George Stratton

$8037.50

placed on lot 20-23 of Union Blvd, Allentown

renew 6/25/36 for $5669; 6/22/37 for $4119

Ward & Dickinson 1/3/34 #10059

Claude V Merker

$4750

[also filed Northampton County gave $5000 and diner #235]

Ward & Dickinson 9/19/32 Satisfied 1/18/37 #9494

S.C. Hand & Leon M. Cobb

$5000

Brill 11/24/37   [see Northampton County ]

Alexander Hook

$3500

10.5 x 40

Lee Dickinson 7/21/39 satisfied 3/30/43 #14050

Henry Gunby

$8000

J.B. Judkins 3/1/41 #15422

Anthony Mangino

$17,000

had a second #15536 for same parties worth $17,510

O'Mahony 6/20/39 #13915

Elmer J Anderson "Irving Diner"

renew 6/17/42

$7177.50

O'Mahony 5/29/39 #13820

Elwood C Hager

$4396

O'Mahony 4/8/39 #13660

Andrew Hacker

$13350

renew 4/8/42 $5520

Paterson Vehicle 10/3/38 satis 11/13/45 #13312

Julius Lowry

$6500

Paterson Vehicle 10/3/39 #14253

Warren J Longenback

$6500

Kullman 7/7/53 #19624

Charles F. Steckline Diner #305

$36,000

102-104 N 6th Allentown [seemed already located at address]

Paterson Vehicle 12/17/47 satis 3/13/50 #17260

Eugene C Nowicki

$11000

Paterson Vehicle 3/25/49 #17896

George R Charron

$12000

Paterson Vehicle 5/9/53 satis 5/10/55 #19560

George R Charron

$38000

1019-1025 Union Blvd

Paterson Vehicle 6/29/50 satis 6/21/56

Red Diamond Inc

$26,000

606 State Highway Emmaus

Paterson Vehicle 12/15/50 #18678

Charles Steckline & Hoyt Jones Steckline Diner #2

$25,500

ren 12/5/53 for $10,200

Diner #5073 29x40

------------------------------------------------------- Northampton County -------------------------------

Only had  1931 -> 1954  so missing 1925-1930

O'Mahony 8/27/32

H.D. Ackerman's

$5156.25

O'Mahony 1/31/33

Ackerman's Diner

$5188.72

O'Mahony 2/6/34

Genevieve K. Davis

$5568.50

for Ackerman's Diner

O'Mahony 6/16/32 satis 9/16/42

Michael Pitela

$9690

Palace Diner

O'Mahony 12/31/30

William C. Mills & Fred Rush

$12903

Paterson Vehicle 6/15/31

James Lindley

$4200

assigned to Charles H Wagner 5/4/34 for $3730.65 then back to Lindley 4/9/36 for $2805.25

assigned to Charles H. Wagner 3/31/37 for $2227.75

Ward & Dickinson 8/10/32

James L. Dick

$8800

Ward & Dickinson 1/3/34

Claude Merker

$6000

Diner #235 [ also filed in Lehigh Co ]

Ward & Dickinson 12/21/32

James McNair

$7700

assigned to Charles K Williams 5/15/37 $5620.50 from Lee Dickinson satis 9/15/39

Margaret Moore July 1934

Howard Hovey

$3500

[this is the one Moore brought down from Westfield]

J.G. Brill 11/24/37

Alexander Hook

$4500

Paterson Vehicle 8/24/38

Club Car

$11,000

ren 7/14/42 for $1125

National 6/23/41 satis 1/19/44

Alexander Hook

$15,000

Annex 9/9/41 for $5688.50

Paterson Vehicle 11/30/40

W.C. Frankfort

$4500

Paterson Vehicle 5/22/40

Steel Diner Inc

$12,500

Paterson Vehicle 10/16/39

Samuel Lowry

$13500

Fodero 5/11/48

Joseph N. Caeser

$26,500

Canandiagua, NY - A Kullman?

Seems that I have found a mystery Kullman diner just east of Canandaigua, New York.  This picture is from a 1962 newspaper article from a Shortsville, New York newspaper.

 

While I can not say for 100% sure this is an authentic diner, nor can I say this is a Kullman, it sure looks like a diner.  What I do know is that in a May of 1962 classified ad, there was mention of the same Realty company having a Kullman diner for sale.  Off hand, I do not know of a Kullman that made it to the Canandaigua region at any time.

  Also notice that Mrs. Campbell was from Lancaster.  A Robert Estes had a diner in Depew, New York that is still around today known as the 50's Diner, a Silk City.  One might believe this is the same Robert Estes.  Robert Estes ran that diner from 1955(really sometime in 1954 as the diner is #5425) to 1966 based upon the city directories. 

Newark Diner is on the move

Ron Dylewski sent me this article, which is nice because it contains some history a few of the other articles did not contain.

http://www.waynepost.com/feature/x709243894/History-on-the-move

"The Newark Diner closed its doors Sunday, April 7 for the final time. Owner Jim McBride will turn the keys over to new owner, the Larkin Company on April 15."   The final destination will be Buffalo, New York

  The diner will go to Steve Harwin's place in Cleveland(mistake in the article) and get "restored"  One can only hope that it is getting new wood and new booths and maybe more original looking tile on the floor on the inside, but I also hope the glass counter stays, but i'm not holding my breath on that one.  not because of Steve or the owners, but just because of sanitary regulations are overzealous at times.

  When the 1939 Sterling diner came to Newark, it was direct competition to a Richardson built diner that was doing gangbusters in the 1920s.  George Dickinson, who owned many diners in his time was the first owner of that diner. He then sold it to his son in law, and from that point on, not much is known about what happened to that diner.

  Here is hoping to a safe landing in Buffalo in short order!   Can we get more diners into Buffalo?  Resurgence!!!!!

Erie County, PA

Many of the diners of Erie County were built in New York state.  Matter of fact, the only diner company who filed Conditional Sales records with the county that was not from New York was the Paterson Vehicle Company who sent three diners to Erie County.  Two of these have been accounted for, and the third has a possible location, although a postcard of the diner in later years does not match, so some research needs to be done there.
  Still, there are some diners in Erie that have not been accounted for from the conditional sales records.  Maybe some of them are Tierneys, as that list is a little fuzzy right now.  Hopefully, the city of Erie still has their building permit records.  Pennsylvania has what are called Open Records Officers, so if you are unsure, you write to the representative for the part of government, and they will tell you if the records exist(or find out) and will get back to you promptly.  If only every state was this good!
  Other notes:  Conditional sales are only for diners bought on the payment plan. If you had the money, you did not have to file a conditional sale.  Also, it does not seem Bixler filed these anywhere, or did so with a different name other than Bixler.  Like any record, these are not a perfect system, but they are helpful
Two diners are listed under Dunkirk, the sales arm of Mulholland, an independently owned company. Conditional sales did not start until mid 1925, so all three confirmed locations for Mulholland diners, Corry, Union City and Wesleyville may have already received their diner.  And maybe one of these was in Erie?  I need to check 1926 and 1928 city directories for these two names.  With the renewal date and assignment, they had these diners for more than just a year.
National Diner - This was Dr. J.J. Sharpe's company name.  I believe this diner was either replaced by the rare Guy Russell built diner(moved from Ripley, NY) or was one of two diners that were supposedly in North East, PA
Richardson - some strange stuff going on here. He had passed away awhile by Sept of 1926. So maybe his paperwork was passed to his son, who was running the company. But something doesn't make sense.
Reinhardt's  They had a chain of diners, as many as four at one time it would seem. One Tierney was posted on Flickr and another was in the original version of Diners of PA.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/92396002@N00/56936253/

Dunkirk Dining car

William F Pollock 11/3/1926 $4000 #4499

renewed #5754 7/9/1928

------------------------

Dunkirk Dining Car

A.A. Smith 7/21/28 $2675 #5874

assigned to Forestville bank 8/16/1932 #7205

-------------------------

National Dining Car Co

Arthur Wasmund & M.L. Manning 4/18/1925 $3600 #1347

{believed to be North East}

-----------------------

Wasmund Arthur

Marion Manning 6/15/1925 $1 #1348 interest in dining car

----------------------

Paterson Vehicle Co

R F MacKendrick Jr 5/11/1948 $18850 #20925

"Boston diner" satisfied 5/23/1951

-------------------------

Paterson Vehicle Co

Harold E Curtis 6/16/1948 $18800 #20995

{Lawrence Park}

---------------------------

Paterson Vehicle Co

R.J. Ross 7/18/1949 $19500 #21751 renewed #23483 satisfied 10/24/1952

Robert Ross had diner at 3624 Peach in 1954

--------------------------

E.B. Richardson

George F Reinhardt 9/4/1926 $1302 & $590.75 #3361

--------------------

Anthony C Seifert

R.G. Richardson 9/4/1926 $1302 & $590.75 #3360

-----------------------

George F Reinhardt

Leo W Schmidt 4/11/1927 $3000 #4864 satisfied 11/2/1927

--------------------

Leo Schmidt

George G Reinhardt 11/2/1927 $479.50 #5264

---------------------

Karle William

George G Reinhardt 11/2/1927 $479.50 #5264

----------------------

Leo Reinhardt

George F Reinhardt 11/22/1929 $1500 #8071

----------------------

Leo Reinhardt

Lawrence Cunningham 3/17/1930 $2700 #8072

-----------------------

Tierney

Leo C Reinhardt 8/1/1926 $7250 #4476

-----------------------

Tierney

Leo C Reinhardt 6/21/1928 $502.50 #5766 diner #1007

----------------------

Tierney

Leo C Reinhardt 6/21/1928 $5819 #5767 diner #2121

----------------------

Tierney

Leo C Reinhardt 6/21/1930 $1850 #7718

----------------------

Tierney

Leo C Reinhardt 11/11/1929 $5060 #7379

renewed $1575 #8739 11/11/1931

-----------------------

Tierney

Leo & Geo Reinhardt 3/5/1931 $1349 #8189

-----------------------

Ward & Dickinson

Louis Del Porto 6/6/1927  $3000 #4984 diner #53

Have never found Del Porto listed, so don't know what happened to this diner, was in Erie

-----------------------

Ward & Dickinson

L.H. Youngman 6/6/1927 $3000 #4985 diner #59

short time in Erie, quickly moved to Oil City, PA then Waterford, NY

-----------------------

Ward & Dickinson

Val Manwaring 12/31/1927 $5500 #5369

13th at French for only a few months. diner #78

-----------------------

Dickinson Lee & Ward Charles

to A.M. Liebau 6/9/1926 $4900 #2088

5 East 18th

--

Ward & Dickinson

A.M. Liebau 3/27/1928 $1625 #5538 diner #55

continuation of above. diner sold to E Reynolds then B. Loper.

---------------------------

Ward & Dickinson

E. Reynolds 7/16/1929 $7500 #7095

25 West 8th, sold to Hopkins diner #209 (this could be below, unsure)

---------------------------

Ward & Dickinson

E. Reynolds 8/24/1929 $5100 #7150 +equipment

156 West 13th St

--------------------------

Ward & Dickinson

Mrs J.J. Schoos 10/28/1929 $6300 #7290

710 Peach St. replaced Richardson model

--------------------------

Ward & Dickinson

Mrs Gracell Hughes 3/26/1930 $4600 #7493 reconditioned

diner #15, came from Buffalo

--------------------------

Ward & Dickinson

R.F. MacKendrick 2/6/1931 $6500 #8126

bought Schoos's diner

--------------------------

Ward & Dickinson

Barbara Soper 9/30/1931 $4500 #8668 satisfied 11/4/1938

may be 156 West 13th St from Reynolds

--------------------------

Ward & Dickinson

Mark Hopkins 10/31/1931 $6900 #8692 diner #209

bought from Reynolds. 25 West 8th, moved to Westfield and called Elk Dinor in paper.

Research Notes

I need to come up with some web pages to discuss what I have done and what is available out there.

Chattel & Conditional Sales Research updates




Unite States guide to state links: http://www.statearchivists.org/arc/states/res_sch_genlloc.htm







http://www.nj.gov/treasury/revenue/rms/pdf/c100000.pdf
new Jersey can get rid of them, unfortunately

Massachusetts can get rid of them. http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcpdf/MA_Municipal_Records_Retention_Manual.pdf

New York is SUPPOSED to be permanent, but these regulations were not passed until 1988, and I think many of the municipalities got rid of the records before 1988. Here is the Town/City, check page 114 .. http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/records/mr_pub_mu1.pdf Also, chattel records are filed on either the county or town level. No rhyme or reason. 
I think I need to email the archives about building permit indexes concerning Utica - http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/records/mr_pub_mi1_part2.shtml

No clue for New Hampshire. It seems like they had one book where they wrote down everything, not just chattel/conditional sales agreements. But on the good news, building permits info are permanent. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/III/33-A/33-A-mrg.htm

• Delaware has permanent building permits. http://archives.delaware.gov/govsvcs/pdfs/General%20Records%20Retention%20Schedules/Local%20Government%20General%20Records%20Schedule/Planning.pdf

   

  search:http://archives.delaware.gov/collections/guideintro.shtml
• type in conditional sales or chattels

  Maryland - looks like they can destroy the records also. http://aomol.net/000001/000642/html/am642--745.html

no help with Maine:Might have to email for assistance. http://www.maine.gov/sos/arc/records/local/index.html

Unsure on michigan, though looks like building permits are permanent records

Pennsylvania should have conditional sales at the county level. Each county is different on the amount of info filled in. Index books/dockets are permanent, individual forms are hit or miss, based on space.Although the index books are permanent, but also can be at Historical Societies if a Judge gives the permission as happened in Wayne County.

  Nothing on the Rhode Island Website.

West Virginia - no luck, they're allowed to destroy them... http://www.wvculture.org/history/rmpb/rscountyclerk.html But what I am wondering about are Notary Public Records.

Virginia is going to be a crap shoot too - search conditional sales http://www.lva.virginia.gov/agencies/records/sched_local/index.htm

   

  

Vermont possibilities

Some Vermont possibilities for Ward & Dickinson diners need to be checked out.

Thomas Walsh of Albany was running a business in Rutland, VT in 1930 when he declared bankruptcy.  One of the companies who was listed as a creditor was Ward & Dickinson of Silver Creek, NY
Edit - was in town for three years

A While back, on EBAY was a matchbook for Pete's Diner in Middlebury, VT.  This had a drawing of a larger 40 foot Ward & Dickinson.  A Deluxe model, so to say.  The drawing of the Ward Diner, the 30 foot model is often a stock art option, but I am hoping that the larger 40 foot models used for drawings are good hits.
Edit - This has been confirmed!  Diner was demolished shortly after WW2

  One of the places using the 30 foot Ward diner was located in South Carolina.  I was able to verify that the diner looked to be a home made barrel roof diner, put into place in the mid 1930s.

  Finally. I had always found a mention of a Chunawaka Lunch Car, run by the Petty Bros in Granville, NY around 1930.  I recently found a June 1933 blurb that William Lorette was moving the diner to Rutland.  I always had a suspicion that this might be a Closson or a Ward.
Edit - Need address, but William Lorette did have a restaurant in Rutland.