Ron Dylewski sent me this article, which is nice because it contains some history a few of the other articles did not contain.
http://www.waynepost.com/feature/x709243894/History-on-the-move
"The Newark Diner closed its doors Sunday, April 7 for the final time.
Owner Jim McBride will turn the keys over to new owner, the Larkin
Company on April 15." The final destination will be Buffalo, New York
The diner will go to Steve Harwin's place in Cleveland(mistake in the article) and get "restored" One can only hope that it is getting new wood and new booths and maybe more original looking tile on the floor on the inside, but I also hope the glass counter stays, but i'm not holding my breath on that one. not because of Steve or the owners, but just because of sanitary regulations are overzealous at times.
When the 1939 Sterling diner came to Newark, it was direct competition to a Richardson built diner that was doing gangbusters in the 1920s. George Dickinson, who owned many diners in his time was the first owner of that diner. He then sold it to his son in law, and from that point on, not much is known about what happened to that diner.
Here is hoping to a safe landing in Buffalo in short order! Can we get more diners into Buffalo? Resurgence!!!!!
Monday, April 15, 2013
Sunday, February 24, 2013
Erie County, PA
Many of the diners of Erie County were built in New York state. Matter of fact, the only diner company who filed Conditional Sales records with the county that was not from New York was the Paterson Vehicle Company who sent three diners to Erie County. Two of these have been accounted for, and the third has a possible location, although a postcard of the diner in later years does not match, so some research needs to be done there.
Still, there are some diners in Erie that have not been accounted for from the conditional sales records. Maybe some of them are Tierneys, as that list is a little fuzzy right now. Hopefully, the city of Erie still has their building permit records. Pennsylvania has what are called Open Records Officers, so if you are unsure, you write to the representative for the part of government, and they will tell you if the records exist(or find out) and will get back to you promptly. If only every state was this good!
Other notes: Conditional sales are only for diners bought on the payment plan. If you had the money, you did not have to file a conditional sale. Also, it does not seem Bixler filed these anywhere, or did so with a different name other than Bixler. Like any record, these are not a perfect system, but they are helpful
Two diners are listed under Dunkirk, the sales arm of Mulholland, an independently owned company. Conditional sales did not start until mid 1925, so all three confirmed locations for Mulholland diners, Corry, Union City and Wesleyville may have already received their diner. And maybe one of these was in Erie? I need to check 1926 and 1928 city directories for these two names. With the renewal date and assignment, they had these diners for more than just a year.
National Diner - This was Dr. J.J. Sharpe's company name. I believe this diner was either replaced by the rare Guy Russell built diner(moved from Ripley, NY) or was one of two diners that were supposedly in North East, PA
Richardson - some strange stuff going on here. He had passed away awhile by Sept of 1926. So maybe his paperwork was passed to his son, who was running the company. But something doesn't make sense.
Reinhardt's They had a chain of diners, as many as four at one time it would seem. One Tierney was posted on Flickr and another was in the original version of Diners of PA.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/92396002@N00/56936253/
Still, there are some diners in Erie that have not been accounted for from the conditional sales records. Maybe some of them are Tierneys, as that list is a little fuzzy right now. Hopefully, the city of Erie still has their building permit records. Pennsylvania has what are called Open Records Officers, so if you are unsure, you write to the representative for the part of government, and they will tell you if the records exist(or find out) and will get back to you promptly. If only every state was this good!
Other notes: Conditional sales are only for diners bought on the payment plan. If you had the money, you did not have to file a conditional sale. Also, it does not seem Bixler filed these anywhere, or did so with a different name other than Bixler. Like any record, these are not a perfect system, but they are helpful
Two diners are listed under Dunkirk, the sales arm of Mulholland, an independently owned company. Conditional sales did not start until mid 1925, so all three confirmed locations for Mulholland diners, Corry, Union City and Wesleyville may have already received their diner. And maybe one of these was in Erie? I need to check 1926 and 1928 city directories for these two names. With the renewal date and assignment, they had these diners for more than just a year.
National Diner - This was Dr. J.J. Sharpe's company name. I believe this diner was either replaced by the rare Guy Russell built diner(moved from Ripley, NY) or was one of two diners that were supposedly in North East, PA
Richardson - some strange stuff going on here. He had passed away awhile by Sept of 1926. So maybe his paperwork was passed to his son, who was running the company. But something doesn't make sense.
Reinhardt's They had a chain of diners, as many as four at one time it would seem. One Tierney was posted on Flickr and another was in the original version of Diners of PA.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/92396002@N00/56936253/
Dunkirk Dining car
William F Pollock 11/3/1926 $4000
#4499
renewed #5754 7/9/1928
------------------------
Dunkirk Dining Car
A.A. Smith 7/21/28 $2675 #5874
assigned to Forestville bank 8/16/1932
#7205
-------------------------
National Dining Car Co
Arthur Wasmund & M.L. Manning
4/18/1925 $3600 #1347
{believed to be North East}
-----------------------
Wasmund Arthur
Marion Manning 6/15/1925 $1 #1348
interest in dining car
----------------------
Paterson Vehicle Co
R F MacKendrick Jr 5/11/1948 $18850
#20925
"Boston diner" satisfied
5/23/1951
-------------------------
Paterson Vehicle Co
Harold E Curtis 6/16/1948 $18800 #20995
{Lawrence Park}
---------------------------
Paterson Vehicle Co
R.J. Ross 7/18/1949 $19500 #21751
renewed #23483 satisfied 10/24/1952
Robert Ross had diner at 3624 Peach in
1954
--------------------------
E.B. Richardson
George F Reinhardt 9/4/1926 $1302 &
$590.75 #3361
--------------------
Anthony C Seifert
R.G. Richardson 9/4/1926 $1302 &
$590.75 #3360
-----------------------
George F Reinhardt
Leo W Schmidt 4/11/1927 $3000 #4864
satisfied 11/2/1927
--------------------
Leo Schmidt
George G Reinhardt 11/2/1927 $479.50
#5264
---------------------
Karle William
George G Reinhardt 11/2/1927 $479.50
#5264
----------------------
Leo Reinhardt
George F Reinhardt 11/22/1929 $1500
#8071
----------------------
Leo Reinhardt
Lawrence Cunningham 3/17/1930 $2700
#8072
-----------------------
Tierney
Leo C Reinhardt 8/1/1926 $7250 #4476
-----------------------
Tierney
Leo C Reinhardt 6/21/1928 $502.50 #5766
diner #1007
----------------------
Tierney
Leo C Reinhardt 6/21/1928 $5819 #5767
diner #2121
----------------------
Tierney
Leo C Reinhardt 6/21/1930 $1850 #7718
----------------------
Tierney
Leo C Reinhardt 11/11/1929 $5060 #7379
renewed $1575 #8739 11/11/1931
-----------------------
Tierney
Leo & Geo Reinhardt 3/5/1931 $1349
#8189
-----------------------
Ward & Dickinson
Louis Del Porto 6/6/1927 $3000
#4984 diner #53
Have never found Del Porto listed, so
don't know what happened to this diner, was in Erie
-----------------------
Ward & Dickinson
L.H. Youngman 6/6/1927 $3000 #4985
diner #59
short time in Erie, quickly moved to
Oil City, PA then Waterford, NY
-----------------------
Ward & Dickinson
Val Manwaring 12/31/1927 $5500 #5369
13th at French for only a few months.
diner #78
-----------------------
Dickinson Lee & Ward Charles
to A.M. Liebau 6/9/1926 $4900 #2088
5 East 18th
--
Ward & Dickinson
A.M. Liebau 3/27/1928 $1625 #5538 diner
#55
continuation of above. diner sold to E
Reynolds then B. Loper.
---------------------------
Ward & Dickinson
E. Reynolds 7/16/1929 $7500 #7095
25 West 8th, sold to Hopkins diner
#209 (this could be below, unsure)
---------------------------
Ward & Dickinson
E. Reynolds 8/24/1929 $5100 #7150
+equipment
156 West 13th St
--------------------------
Ward & Dickinson
Mrs J.J. Schoos 10/28/1929 $6300 #7290
710 Peach St. replaced Richardson model
--------------------------
Ward & Dickinson
Mrs Gracell Hughes 3/26/1930 $4600
#7493 reconditioned
diner #15, came from Buffalo
--------------------------
Ward & Dickinson
R.F. MacKendrick 2/6/1931 $6500 #8126
bought Schoos's diner
--------------------------
Ward & Dickinson
Barbara Soper 9/30/1931 $4500 #8668
satisfied 11/4/1938
may be 156 West 13th St from Reynolds
--------------------------
Ward & Dickinson
Mark Hopkins 10/31/1931 $6900 #8692
diner #209
bought from Reynolds. 25 West 8th, moved to Westfield and
called Elk Dinor in paper.
Sunday, January 20, 2013
Research Notes
I need to come up with some web pages to discuss what I have done and what is available out there.
Chattel & Conditional Sales Research updates
Unite States guide to state links: http://www.statearchivists.org/arc/states/res_sch_genlloc.htm
http://www.nj.gov/treasury/
new Jersey can get rid of them, unfortunately
Massachusetts can get rid of them. http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcpdf/MA_Municipal_Records_Retention_Manual.pdf
New York is SUPPOSED to be permanent, but these regulations were not passed until 1988, and I think many of the municipalities got rid of the records before 1988. Here is the Town/City, check page 114 .. http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/records/mr_pub_mu1.pdf Also, chattel records are filed on either the county or town level. No rhyme or reason.
I think I need to email the archives about building permit indexes concerning Utica - http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/records/mr_pub_mi1_part2.shtml
No clue for New Hampshire. It seems like they had one book where they wrote down everything, not just chattel/conditional sales agreements. But on the good news, building permits info are permanent. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/III/33-A/33-A-mrg.htm
no help with Maine:Might have to email for assistance. http://www.maine.gov/sos/arc/records/local/index.html
Unsure on michigan, though looks like building permits are permanent records
Pennsylvania should have conditional sales at the county level. Each county is different on the amount of info filled in. Index books/dockets are permanent, individual forms are hit or miss, based on space.Although the index books are permanent, but also can be at Historical Societies if a Judge gives the permission as happened in Wayne County.
Nothing on the Rhode Island Website.
West Virginia - no luck, they're allowed to destroy them... http://www.wvculture.org/history/rmpb/rscountyclerk.html But what I am wondering about are Notary Public Records.
Virginia is going to be a crap shoot too - search conditional sales http://www.lva.virginia.gov/agencies/records/sched_local/index.htm
Chattel & Conditional Sales Research updates
Unite States guide to state links: http://www.statearchivists.org/arc/states/res_sch_genlloc.htm
http://www.nj.gov/treasury/
new Jersey can get rid of them, unfortunately
Massachusetts can get rid of them. http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcpdf/MA_Municipal_Records_Retention_Manual.pdf
New York is SUPPOSED to be permanent, but these regulations were not passed until 1988, and I think many of the municipalities got rid of the records before 1988. Here is the Town/City, check page 114 .. http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/records/mr_pub_mu1.pdf Also, chattel records are filed on either the county or town level. No rhyme or reason.
I think I need to email the archives about building permit indexes concerning Utica - http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/records/mr_pub_mi1_part2.shtml
No clue for New Hampshire. It seems like they had one book where they wrote down everything, not just chattel/conditional sales agreements. But on the good news, building permits info are permanent. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/III/33-A/33-A-mrg.htm
- type in conditional sales or chattels
no help with Maine:Might have to email for assistance. http://www.maine.gov/sos/arc/records/local/index.html
Unsure on michigan, though looks like building permits are permanent records
Pennsylvania should have conditional sales at the county level. Each county is different on the amount of info filled in. Index books/dockets are permanent, individual forms are hit or miss, based on space.Although the index books are permanent, but also can be at Historical Societies if a Judge gives the permission as happened in Wayne County.
Nothing on the Rhode Island Website.
West Virginia - no luck, they're allowed to destroy them... http://www.wvculture.org/history/rmpb/rscountyclerk.html But what I am wondering about are Notary Public Records.
Virginia is going to be a crap shoot too - search conditional sales http://www.lva.virginia.gov/agencies/records/sched_local/index.htm
Tuesday, December 25, 2012
Vermont possibilities
Some Vermont possibilities for Ward & Dickinson diners need to be checked out.
Thomas Walsh of Albany was running a business in Rutland, VT in 1930 when he declared bankruptcy. One of the companies who was listed as a creditor was Ward & Dickinson of Silver Creek, NY
Edit - was in town for three years
A While back, on EBAY was a matchbook for Pete's Diner in Middlebury, VT. This had a drawing of a larger 40 foot Ward & Dickinson. A Deluxe model, so to say. The drawing of the Ward Diner, the 30 foot model is often a stock art option, but I am hoping that the larger 40 foot models used for drawings are good hits.
Edit - This has been confirmed! Diner was demolished shortly after WW2
One of the places using the 30 foot Ward diner was located in South Carolina. I was able to verify that the diner looked to be a home made barrel roof diner, put into place in the mid 1930s.
Finally. I had always found a mention of a Chunawaka Lunch Car, run by the Petty Bros in Granville, NY around 1930. I recently found a June 1933 blurb that William Lorette was moving the diner to Rutland. I always had a suspicion that this might be a Closson or a Ward.
Edit - Need address, but William Lorette did have a restaurant in Rutland.
Thomas Walsh of Albany was running a business in Rutland, VT in 1930 when he declared bankruptcy. One of the companies who was listed as a creditor was Ward & Dickinson of Silver Creek, NY
Edit - was in town for three years
A While back, on EBAY was a matchbook for Pete's Diner in Middlebury, VT. This had a drawing of a larger 40 foot Ward & Dickinson. A Deluxe model, so to say. The drawing of the Ward Diner, the 30 foot model is often a stock art option, but I am hoping that the larger 40 foot models used for drawings are good hits.
Edit - This has been confirmed! Diner was demolished shortly after WW2
One of the places using the 30 foot Ward diner was located in South Carolina. I was able to verify that the diner looked to be a home made barrel roof diner, put into place in the mid 1930s.
Finally. I had always found a mention of a Chunawaka Lunch Car, run by the Petty Bros in Granville, NY around 1930. I recently found a June 1933 blurb that William Lorette was moving the diner to Rutland. I always had a suspicion that this might be a Closson or a Ward.
Edit - Need address, but William Lorette did have a restaurant in Rutland.
Thursday, November 22, 2012
All you can eat Diner, part 2
Here is a photo of the aforementioned Jopil Bros Parlor Diner. A poor photo which is typical of newspaper that has been turned to microfilm. One thing I find fascinating is the roof. It looks like a metal roof. And hopefully it is just the photo, but the front of the diner looks like it is leaning.
From research, it seems there was a Fred's Diner at this location for some years, and just before this diner came here, Fred's was put into storage and would get badly charred in less than a month, while in storage.
Wednesday, November 21, 2012
1931 - Yonkers - all you can eat
Sunday, October 28, 2012
Quintessence, Albany. To Close
The Times Union of Albany, NY has reported that the Albany Medical Center has bought the 1948/9 Fodero, lastly known as Quintessence. A friend of NY Diners has reported that an employee of Quintessence commented that the diner is going to be moved. No other information is known.
The Chuck Wagon Diner is no longer run by the Ketchums. They have leased the diner out to new operators.
The Miss Port Henry Diner is now Foote's Miss Port Henry Diner and is doing well so far with a veteran restauranteur in charge.
Dewey's Diner has closed. A victim of roughly 3 years of essentially continuous road work on Fuller Road.
The Chuck Wagon Diner is no longer run by the Ketchums. They have leased the diner out to new operators.
The Miss Port Henry Diner is now Foote's Miss Port Henry Diner and is doing well so far with a veteran restauranteur in charge.
Dewey's Diner has closed. A victim of roughly 3 years of essentially continuous road work on Fuller Road.
Subscribe to:
Posts (Atom)